Anyone a fan of rap

Teaflax wrote: Wow. You perform the mother of all irrelevant subject changes in order to accuse me of changing the subject (which I haven't done even once on this thread; it's always been about your inability to deal with various aspects of reality). That's either a meta statement - in which case, bravo - or breathtakingly hypocritical.   Each time I take one of your statements and prove they are FALSE, you change subject, you maybe woin't notice that, but everybody else notices it. You'll note - if you go back and read really carefully this time - that I was smart enough to set up a caveat in the Scrubs section; that it would be in an absolute minority even if you did find some. This was also the case, not least since the music refences you mentioned are not even full featured songs - of which almost every episode of Scrubs contains one, and which would be the only musical content really worth discussing, because it is an editorial choice (as in: "we approve of this music") rather than just an aspect of storytelling. They are instead short snippets used for effect in flashbacks or fantasy sequences. So, your argument about the all-pervasive nature of Rap is not in any way vindicated, nor am I proven wrong.   You were smart enough?....You're also modest. BTW: You said it was absolutely rapless, and in your usually arrogant way you gave a list and clearly stated "There's nothing remotely close to Rap" and again you were WRONG. Sorry. Also, you never proved anything about Kansas (in fact, I don't remember you proving even one of your wild statements in anyone's mind but your own). Well, okay, you did prove that they had some songs with less vocals, thus being less terrible by default. It really isn't all that narrow-minded to reject something for having major aspects that are too simplistic, mainstream and commercial, I think you'd have to agree.   Yes, if you call redneck Prog or Pork Burger to an icon and pioneer of ¨Progressive Rock is ok, but if anybody dislikes a genre THAT HAS NO RELATION WITH THIS FORUM IS WRONG How convinient, almost as convinient as escaping from a thread where everybody was giving solid arguments against your arrogant and xenophobic statements. But, you know, I really shouldn't argue AOR/Soft Rock or the artistic bankruptcy of most Rock with someone who seriously likes Meat Loaf. That's just too mean, even for me. But, hey, if that's your thing, no wonder you like Kansas. So again it's wrong to like a band formed by one of the most talenteds piano players and one of the best voices, but it's ok to like an unimaginative an lack of talent and musicality genre as Rap. At least Kansas has a place here (Want it or not, they are going to stay) and there's people asking to include Steinman and Meatloaf (Something with what I don't agree) but they made quality music, with Rhythm, melody and harmony. Plus 100% original material. So, tell me again how someone sells millions without charting, and how all sitcoms are full of Rap. Enlighten me as to why it is not "musically correct" to make music that you don't like? Explain also why you can make such cocksure judgements on music when you seem to know awfully little about how it is actually composed and performed? You did claim not to be psychic, after all.   You said they were rapless, I proved you were wrong, and I don't believe Rap is music, I stand on my believes, it's just a spoken form of poetry with background chords repeated ad nauseam (In many cases stolen from real artists). Either way, you crack me up, Iván. Don't take it so bloody seriously, but do try to think things through before you blurt them out, and - please - try to accept when you are proven wrong (and before you get all huffy, you cannot prove me wrong on the almighty suckitude of Kansas, nor can I prove you wrong about the suckiness of Rap - these are matters of taste - let's try to stick to facts, shall we?).   Kettle...Pot? So calling Kansas Pork Burger and Redneck Prog is alright, but saying I HATE RAP is wrong? And which are your facts to call Kansas Pork Burger or Redneck Prog, maybe you hate Rock from USA, already Kansas was in your target and now is Meatloaf. Iván

Just check his profile Tea...it ain't hard!

Snow Dog wrote: Just check his profile Tea...it ain't hard!

Ah, right. Well, most profiles tend to be not very filled in, so it didn't occur to me.

The bleeder's older'n me. *shock, horror*


Edited by Teaflax - June 06 2006 at 16:21

Teaflax wrote: The bleeder's older'n me. *shock, horror*

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 06 2006 at 16:43

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Teaflax wrote: The bleeder's older'n me. *shock, horror*   How do you feel being offensive? Is that a pleassure for you? Does you feel better or even more smart than you claim you are?   That's the reason why normally nice people ofth9is forum is being rude with you, because you ask for it.   And BTW: The phrase "Your Friend in Prog" was only a vulgar manipulation of your part (As I already knew).  But I won't fall in your game.   Iván

I can't believe I'm doing this but.......


......Ivan, "bleeder" is virtually a term of endearment in UK English, the English that Teafalx has been using.

Bleeder: 2 British : ROTTER; also : BLOKE

Tony R wrote: Wow,I've just read the WHOLE of this thread,every last word (rumblings from another place) and I am at a loss to see why someone would want this thread closed.There have been arguments but it has never boiled over into that scarcely definable territory named "across the line" . I think that an argument about taste is pointless. To Mr Teaflax I would say that once you start your "argument" by dismissing an artist, a band or genre with a casual "it sucks" then you set the tone for the level of discussion. To Ivan I would say "as above"   Agree with all the above. Oh and "bleeder" is NOT offensive where I live,it is, as Snow Dog states,a term of endearment.   When a term has two meanings as in this case you must be carefull using them there are terms that are completely normal in Perú but if I used them with a person from Argentina or Chile will be pretty offensive.   If I ak for a "Cajetilla de cigarros" /Pacckage of cigarrettes in Perú) there's no problem, but if I use the same term in Argentina, probably I would be thrown out of the store for calling the owner a whore or the owner a pimp, not sure.   If somebody asks me for the time in Perú and I don't have a watch I would answer "Son las cinco y pico" (It's 5 and a bit more) if I said that to a lady in Chile (And I did it once) I will be probably insulted for using a vulgar reference to a prenis.   If I don't know the British terminology, I check the dictionary, and if the dictionary mentions two offensive meanings (Both offensive), the person that's using them must avoid them, specially after a discussion.   Iván

Tony R wrote: Ivan,I would say that you must have a very old dictionary,but no doubt you've cited a 2006 version from the UK.   Tony, I'm using the 2006 Merriam Webster online dictionary I'm not sure that I concede your point about something having two meanings,because I can assure you that bleeder, whilst slightly patronising in this usage, would not be considered offensive to a native English speaker,nor is it reasonable to expect people to double-check every word for innuendo.   Honestly I do it, if something has two meanings I usually avoid it and you know me enough to known that I do. A classic example from the UK is the use of the word "bugger". I guarantee if I called you a "loveable old bugger" you'd be extremely offended yet the word has become little more than an affectionate and jocular term of address.This interpretation of the word is 100% consistent acroos the whole country.   But not everybody here is Britsh Tony, not even Teaflax, according to his profile he's from Sweden.   BTW Loveable old bugger by the context is being used doesn't sound offensive.   Iván

"To Mr Teaflax I would say that once you start your "argument" by dismissing an artist, a band or genre with a casual "it sucks" then you set the tone for the level of discussion."

 

I believe that I also earlier stated that I thought wrap & hip hop sucked, at least the stuff that I've heard...Conceding that I couldn't possibly have heard everything (no one has...I hope) & that there may be some wonderful acts out there, I'm comfortable with my judgement of that particular material...Wasn't trying to set any particular tone, just stating my honest opinion, others can disagree & I'll still sleep well tonight......If given the choice to scour the wrap/hip hop world for listenable tunes vs, say, rock or prog, I believe my choice would be clear as to where I'd concentrate my efforts!

Well, let me just add this; I think anyone who knows a bit about music should be able to respect a lot more music than they actually would want to listen to.

There's a lot of music I can tell certainly has merit, but that grates on my ears or is just not interesting. To keep this vaguely on-topic, I offer up the production work of Timbaland, which I find to be incredibly daring sometimes and usually quite groundbreaking, but I wouldn't actively listen to anything he's produced.

And for all my defending of Rap as a valid genre, it's not something I listen to particularly often. I used to feel pretty much like Iván does back in the 80's, and even thought I would get in on the act, and make me some sweet cash. Seeing as I was a singer, spoke unaccented English, wrote song lyrics regularly, and had access to several recording studios, spitting out a Rap tune or two shouldn't be that difficult. Well, as it turned out, it was a damned sight more difficult than I had thought - and this was even before increase in rhythmic and structural sophistication of underground Rap which happened during the 90's.

I've played the bass in a Blues/Rock combo, sung in Prog and Pop groups, drummed in a Punk band and to this day create music on my keyboard here at home, so I have some sense of what goes into making music, even though I know very little about musical theory. In my experience, rapping well - and do note that I find that most rapping you hear on MTV does not qualify - very difficult indeed.

And to freestyle it - that's just breathtaking to see someone do well. I have an acquaintance who is a rapper in the band Hearin' Aid. He's a good enough rapper, but when you realise that a lot of what he does is almost completely improvised, it's almost unfathomable. When you see him do one take, flub a line and then start over, except now with a completely different lyric...that's impressive.

Again, it's nothing I would listen to, but you have to respect the craft.


Edited by Teaflax - June 06 2006 at 19:46