And Then There Were Three...

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Edited by Fragile - July 04 2006 at 19:57

Can't agree, Idlanberg, I don't think it had to do anything with Phil Collins, it was rather the way Tony Banks wanted the songs to sound like during that particular time. Perhaps now he's change this or that, who knows ? I'm happy with it all the way it is... ah... I forgot to mention "The Lady lies" and "Snowbound"... what great songs... this thread really made me put on my japanese-vynil-cover-replica-cd-remaster of ATTWT again, thank you so much

Fragile wrote: [QUOTE=Blacksword]^ Indeed, bloody keyboards!! [IMG]smileys/smiley7.gif" align=middle> Fragile: There is plenty of guitar on ATTWT. In fact Rutherford emulates Hacketts style quite well in places I thought, although I would concede the band did really miss Hackett. The strength of this album is the songs themselves; the melodies and the atmosphere. Try to imagine the production being more like 'WAW' and dropping a few of the weaker tracks and you would have an album comparable in quality to 'WAW' IMO. Yes, I'm enjoying Olias at the moment. It's taken me a while though. The production sounds well ahead of its time.[/QUOTE   Blacksword their time was over. I had been listening all through the early years until Trick which was a fine album.Wind for me was the start that the quality had begun to diminish.Then there was this next album.I don't doubt that through their subsequent releases there would be moments that brought back memories.But the product for me was indeed drivel.I cannot listen to it.Collins is not ome of my favourite people for what he did.

mgallard makes some good obseravtions about the subject matter on ATTWT. Ballads like 'Undertow' are really quite overwhelming emotionally IMO. I'll never forget the impact these songs had on me when I first heard them.

I respect your opinion, fragile but I certainly dont share it. It was not the end of Genesis, it was actually the beginning in the eyes of most people. It may have been the start of their decline as a prog rock band, but even then ATTWT is a strong prog album, which cleverly condesnses all the emotion, melody and power found in more epic length Genesis works, into a nore concise form. A song does not have to be 15 minutes long to be good. Neither is it a rule that prog songs must focus on Greek mythology, Hermaphrodites or Sci Fi to be worthy of the prog tag.

There are actually only two love songs on ATTWT, and yes they do happen to be the weakest tracks musically, but generally I'd say there are some stronger moments than on WAW and Duke.
    
    

Edited by Blacksword - June 30 2006 at 05:34

Fragile wrote:   Blacksword their time was over. I had been listening all through the early years until Trick which was a fine album.Wind for me was the start that the quality had begun to diminish.Then there was this next album.I don't doubt that through their subsequent releases there would be moments that brought back memories.But the product for me was indeed drivel.I cannot listen to it.Collins is not ome of my favourite people for what he did.

This is, may I say it, baloney. Phil's the bad guy now? Their time over? Huh? Not only preposterous but insulting too! If you know anything of Genesis music and their solos you'll notice they were all taking a similar route and furthermore I believe all credits (if you take the time to read the credits for all songs) will be Banks/Collins/Rutherford which is a clear enough. The route they took was their own, a group decision and what they liked at the time. Listen to Banks or Rutherford's solos of the 80's, 82 - Acting very strange, 83 - The Fugitive. I do find it quite shallow to criticise as if your own limited tastes are motive enough to limit the artistic freedom of the greats of music (for they are among the greats for sure!). They are artists and as such can decide to do whatever they like, even if you don't like it . I, in opposition, find the Genesis career very enjoyable as they include a large variety of music from the most progressive prog to lighthearted and sometimes even foolish pop (Illegal Alien... for example), I have no problem with that, none at all and listen to whatever part of the career I am in a mood to hear.

All this 'putting people in a box' and expecting them never to jump out of it is so... hmmm... egoistic, shallow and foolish that I want to puke .

I have a feeling much of the output that was lighter, more harmonic and less prog started appearing as the members of the group started falling in love, started their families and were inspired by those events. As I am in love, have a lovely wife and have a fabulous small boy, I have no phobia on the subject, a love song is beautiful and makes me think of my wife and kid and I enjoy it as much as any other Genesis song, it's not drivel as stated by some of the cynics here, I can see the beauty in it without any prejudice.

ATTW3 is the first album that takes a healthy distance from all the proggy subjects, no mice, cats, Lamia or squonks in that one, just people, love in general, a healthy fear of death (kids do that to you), animism, more down to earth subjects. I think many of the naysayers will change their minds and open up a bit once they really fall in love and start building a family, that will change and/or eliminate those phobias that make them suffer so much and close their minds to anything that resembles a love song (or similar) for example.

Greetings

Mogens

chopper wrote: You should be playing something like Marvin Gaye to new girlfriends, mate.[IMG]height=17 alt=Wink src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>You'll never get a shag by playing them Genesis.

      I like that.

You should be playing something like Marvin Gaye to new girlfriends, mate.You'll never get a shag by playing them Genesis.

Blacksword wrote: tdreamer wrote: Isn't it quite strange that this album (ATTW3) sold better than any previous Genesis album. Maybe it was because Follow You Follow Me was a hit. IMO it is the last great record they done. I like it more than Duke and appart from two songs thought Abacab was dire. I can listen to Genesis post ATTW3 but IMO they lost the spark they had. My wife likes this album very much too and she doesn't like prog all that much. My personal opinion on ATTW3 is that it is a very deep and dark album that is ideal for winding down to. I always thought it was a very dark and moody album too. This is strange as I've heard it reffered to as a 'bright' album.. I find the whole package beautifully sad. It's selling power must have been 'Follow you Follow me' It was the bands first top 10 hit, so I guess it was the first Genesis album to really catch the attention of the masses. Mike Rutherford has often said that women never went to Genesis concerts until 'Follow you follow me' came out.

Royalist wrote: Blacksword wrote: Royalist wrote: Prog-man wrote: W&W... GREAT ALBUM!   NOT THE BEST OF THE COLLINS ERA (SECONDS OUT, W&W & ATOTT WERE MORE PROGRESSSIVE). Collins era begins with Nursery Cryme! 'Collins era' refers to when Phil Collins became lead singer. Not when he joined the band.      Why?

I understand why you say it starts with Nursery Cryme. It's Phils first album with the band. But for as long as I've been into Genesis - 20 years + - the eras of the band have always been defined by who's singing. It's not my rule but I guess it makes sense, as both singers put such a different stamp on the bands sound. By 1977 Genesis bared little resemblance to the band they were just 3 years before.