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The Quiet One 
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 Topic: Frank Zappa - Zoot Allures VS Sheik Yerbouti
Posted: October 24 2009 at 20:31 |
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: October 24 2009 at 20:37 |
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These albums are kind of at the bottom of my FZ list. Zoot Allures has about two essential instrumentals, a decent instrumental and a fun dumb rock song (Wind Up Working at a Gas Station). The rest is a throwaway effort. Sheik Yerbouti is consistent, but its rarely amazing. It does have Bobby Brown Goes Down, though. And it was the first FZ I ever bought.
Sheik Yerbouti it is.
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crimson87
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Posted: October 24 2009 at 20:43 |
Sheik Yerbuti it's quite a strong record . I didn't expect it to be that good. Musimundo offered 7 of Zappa's strongest albums so far , I hope they release some more in the future.
On the other hand Zoot Allures I find it to be pretty inconsistent : Great guitar playing among some filler.
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Posted: October 24 2009 at 20:43 |
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Sheik by a fair margin. Though Wind Up Working...is one of my favorite FZ songs.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 24 2009 at 20:51 |
 WalterDigsTunes wrote:
These albums are kind of at the bottom of my FZ list. Zoot Allures has about two essential instrumentals, a decent instrumental and a fun dumb rock song (Wind Up Working at a Gas Station). The rest is a throwaway effort. Sheik Yerbouti is consistent, but its rarely amazing. It does have Bobby Brown Goes Down, though. And it was the first FZ I ever bought.
Sheik Yerbouti it is.
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The reason I chose both And I agree about Zoot Allures, Black Napkins and the title track are killer instrumental stuff, Friendly Little Finger and The Torture Never Stops are really good, but the rest are mediocre throwaways. However I do not find Sheik Yerbouti to be enjoyable in the least, with the exception of City of Tiny Lites and the outstanding Yo' Mama, the rest is forgettable and even annoying. Zoot Allures it is.
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LiquidEternity
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Posted: October 24 2009 at 23:53 |
I'm going to have to go with Zoot Allures, but neither is that high up there. Make a Jazz Noise Here and Zappa in New York have way better versions of Black Napkins and The Torture Never Stops (respectively), and those are the two best off Zoot. Sheik Yerbouti has some good ones, but it also has way too much crap to really keep me entertained the whole way through. Both are three star albums, in my opinion. I think. I might be confused.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 00:00 |
LiquidEternity wrote:
I'm going to have to go with Zoot Allures, but neither is that high up there. Make a Jazz Noise Here and Zappa in New York have way better versions of Black Napkins and The Torture Never Stops (respectively), and those are the two best off Zoot. Sheik Yerbouti has some good ones, but it also has way too much crap to really keep me entertained the whole way through. Both are three star albums, in my opinion. I think. I might be confused.
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I agree that Make A Jazz Noise Here has a great version of Black Napkins, but from The Torture Never Stops I prefer the simpler but more solid studio version to Zappa in New York's version.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 00:05 |
The Quiet One wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
These albums are kind of at the bottom of my FZ list. Zoot Allures has about two essential instrumentals, a decent instrumental and a fun dumb rock song (Wind Up Working at a Gas Station). The rest is a throwaway effort. Sheik Yerbouti is consistent, but its rarely amazing. It does have Bobby Brown Goes Down, though. And it was the first FZ I ever bought.
Sheik Yerbouti it is.
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The reason I chose both And I agree about Zoot Allures, Black Napkins and the title track are killer instrumental stuff, Friendly Little Finger and The Torture Never Stops are really good, but the rest are mediocre throwaways. However I do not find Sheik Yerbouti to be enjoyable in the least, with the exception of City of Tiny Lites and the outstanding Yo' Mama, the rest is forgettable and even annoying. Zoot Allures it is. |
How I hate that interminable song!
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 00:10 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
These albums are kind of at the bottom of my FZ list. Zoot Allures has about two essential instrumentals, a decent instrumental and a fun dumb rock song (Wind Up Working at a Gas Station). The rest is a throwaway effort. Sheik Yerbouti is consistent, but its rarely amazing. It does have Bobby Brown Goes Down, though. And it was the first FZ I ever bought.
Sheik Yerbouti it is.
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The reason I chose both And I agree about Zoot Allures, Black Napkins and the title track are killer instrumental stuff, Friendly Little Finger and The Torture Never Stops are really good, but the rest are mediocre throwaways. However I do not find Sheik Yerbouti to be enjoyable in the least, with the exception of City of Tiny Lites and the outstanding Yo' Mama, the rest is forgettable and even annoying. Zoot Allures it is. |
How I hate that interminable song!
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It was the first song by Zappa that totally grabbed me, that was 2 years ago I presume.
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LiquidEternity
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 02:56 |
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The Zoot version of The Torture Never Stops has that horrific, obnoxious screaming thing all throughout it. I much prefer it sans wailing.
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questionsneverknown
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 06:52 |
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Ugh, certainly a tough one. Like others here, I don't find these albums to be bad but hardly favorites at all. I'm voting for Sheik though if I'm honest with myself I probably listen to Zoot the more often of the two.
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 09:08 |
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Sheik Yerbouti, although Zoot is a very good album as well.
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Zargus
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 09:43 |
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Zoot Allures, i heavent heard it but it must be beter then the terrible Sheik...
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Anderson III
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 10:13 |
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I prefer Sheik. I actually think The Torture Never Stops is one of the worst tracks from FZ's catalogue. Never understood why it was such a favorite live.
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proggy
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 11:38 |
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Love Both.....Sheik by a hair.....
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jammun
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 14:51 |
Zoot has its moments (many of them), but Sheik is awesome FZ. So many excellent songs, I'd list them one by one, but that'd be redundant, since the track listing is available on the site here.
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BaldJean
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 15:15 |
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"Sheik Yerbouti" is one of the most boring Zappa albums. "Zoot Allures" certainly is not one of his best efforts either, but it has good instrumentals like "Black Napkins". but the highlight of the album is "The Torture Never Stops". believe it or not, that song is one of my Zappa favorites. so my vote goes to "Zoot Allures"
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 25 2009 at 15:18 |
BaldJean wrote:
"Sheik Yerbouti" is one of the most boring Zappa albums. "Zoot Allures" certainly is not one of his best efforts either, but it has good instrumentals like "Black Napkins". but the highlight of the album is "The Torture Never Stops". believe it or not, that song is one of my Zappa favorites. so my vote goes to "Zoot Allures"
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Pretty much my thoughts  Though would also add the title track(Zoot Allures) being one of the highlights from the album.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 18:31 |
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Posted: October 26 2009 at 18:37 |
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I laugh more with Sheik. And I think the title is cleverer.
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