The Dillinger Escape Plan

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: They are not better than Opeth, but they are really good. Sure, their music is tedhnical brilliance, but I think they are a little obnoxious at times. With Miss Machine, they added more variety, but I would really like to see them have more contrast. I can hardly get through a full length. I do love Miss Machine, but only in moderation. I liked Miss Machine at first, but it did not grow. I really miss harmonic melodies and clear song structures in their music. I guess this is also what you mean by "contrast".

Somewhat. I know what you mean, but I think that Miss Machine, song-wise, had more contrast than anything else they've done. I think a handful of the tracks on Miss Machine have a clear song structure. Vocally, they have improved. Their first vocalist didn't sing at all; the new guy sings on a couple of tracks, and he has a versatile voice. His scream is brutal, but he can actually sing too. "Baby's First Coffin" is a prime example of his versatility. There is the crazy for the first few minutes, and then they go into that light, melodic part; it is fantastic. The rhythmic pattern remains very odd, but the music is beautfiul. Their music should have more of that in it, but not too much, or that will get old too. Hopefully they will continue to build their sound for their next record. I would definitely like to see more harmonies and the sort.

Miss Machine didn't grow on me at all either, but it is the only one I can stand listening to, except for the Patton EP on occasion.

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Moatilliatta wrote: They are not better than Opeth, but they are really good. Sure, their music is tedhnical brilliance, but I think they are a little obnoxious at times. With Miss Machine, they added more variety, but I would really like to see them have more contrast. I can hardly get through a full length. I do love Miss Machine, but only in moderation. I liked Miss Machine at first, but it did not grow. I really miss harmonic melodies and clear song structures in their music. I guess this is also what you mean by "contrast".  Somewhat. I know what you mean, but I think that Miss Machine, song-wise, had more contrast than anything else they've done. I think a handful of the tracks on Miss Machine have a clear song structure. Vocally, they have improved. Their first vocalist didn't sing at all; the new guy sings on a couple of tracks, and he has a versatile voice. His scream is brutal, but he can actually sing too. "Baby's First Coffin" is a prime example of his versatility. There is the crazy for the first few minutes, and then they go into that light, melodic part; it is fantastic. The rhythmic pattern remains very odd, but the music is beautfiul. Their music should have more of that in it, but not too much, or that will get old too. Hopefully they will continue to build their sound for their next record. I would definitely like to see more harmonies and the sort. Miss Machine didn't grow on me at all either, but it is the only one I can stand listening to, except for the Patton EP on occasion.   Agreed ... but I think that they would have to add a lot more "contrast" until I would really love their music. And I fear that their initial approach was to be as quirky and "math" as possible, with almost no harmony or repeating, simple patterns. So if they would add many of these elements they would not be DEP anymore ...

Good points. That is what makes them who they are.

I will always appreciate them, but possibly never love them.

They started a new thing in metal with that ridiculously technical music, and many bands have been forming in that vein, but none of them (save for Between the Bureid and Me) do it as good, or better than them. They all sound the same too.

Man Overboard wrote: I really liked DEP's s/t EP and the follow-up Calculating Infinity. I enjoyed the Irony EP because I like Mike Patton, but I felt the music taking a direction I didn't like... ...to enjoy Miss Machine, I have to think of them as a different band   I miss the stuff they did on CI...

I think that Calculating Infinity is their best album in terms of creativity and focus. I would rate it 4 stars and mention in the review that it's an acquired taste ... steer clear if you don't like genres with the word "core" in them.

Man Overboard wrote: Meh, aside from hardcore, which Calculating Infinity wasn't, there weren't any other -core genres at the time...  and -core sounds nothing like CI and everything like Miss Machine

Mathcore?