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    Posted: October 13 2005 at 22:30
Is it just me or is Ashra totally and undeniably awesome?

(Kudos to anyone who can read this)


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I heard one of their tunes on last.fm. Very nice. I have been wanting to hear
more as someone on here said they are similar to Tangerine Dream, who I
find totally and undeniably awesome.

Are they the same as Ashra Temple.

Which Ashra album(s) do you recommend.

Sorry I am not using question marks as my keyboard seems to be busted.
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I own a bunch of albums and this band is among my favourites.

BTW read: Manuel Göttsching is my favourite guitar player of all time. 

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Originally posted by roaryg roaryg wrote:

Are they the same as Ashra Temple.

Ashra wich is mostly Manuel Göttsching freaking out in the studio and is in some places like Ash Ra Tempel but as the same time not.

Ashra is very similar with Tangerine Dream and to be mostly only Manuel Göttsching alone I must say he's doing that very good.

Ash Ra Tempel is not that close to the sound of Tangerine Dream, not IMO though... maybe the early Tangerine Dream.

** I believe the thread starter was talking about Ash Ra Tempel, I hope he did?!

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yes, Ash Ra Tempel were awesome!. However, I prefer Ashra (the
later incarnation of the band), who produced an astonishingly
beautiful string of albums between 1976 and 1980
to roaryg: try ash ra tempel's first or second, inventions for electric
guitar, new age of earth or blackouts. if you want something even
more similar to tangerine dream mid-70s albums get michael
hoenig's departure from the northern wastelands, it's an absolute
must. of course you should also try edgar froese's solo output (e.g.
epsilon in malaysian pale and macula transfer) and klaus schulze.
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Originally posted by paulindigo paulindigo wrote:

yes, Ash Ra Tempel were awesome!. However, I prefer Ashra (the
later incarnation of the band), who produced an astonishingly
beautiful string of albums between 1976 and 1980
to roaryg: try ash ra tempel's first or second, inventions for electric
guitar, new age of earth or blackouts. if you want something even
more similar to tangerine dream mid-70s albums get michael
hoenig's departure from the northern wastelands, it's an absolute
must. of course you should also try edgar froese's solo output (e.g.
epsilon in malaysian pale and macula transfer) and klaus schulze.

I agree. I prefer Ashra to ART, too. New Age of Earth is Great
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BTW, excuse my ignorance. What does "kudos" mean?
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Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

** I believe the thread starter was talking about Ash Ra Tempel, I hope he did?!


Apparently so, look at the picture he included at the bottom of the post: Klaus, Manuel, Hartmut... the first photo in Manuel's official website http://www.ashra.com/photos/7101.htm

btw, Ashra is not only Manuel's pseudonym project, like Klaus also did with Wahnfried project... After a couple of solo albums (which are strangely either credited to Ashra or Ash Ra Tempel, albeit no such thing as Ah Ra Tempel existed at the moment!), Manuel hired Lutz Ulbrich and Harald Grosskopf, and later on a couple of other musicians for Ashra project... (You must know better than me, krauthead!) Well, it's a bit complicated, moreover the revival of the early Ash Ra Tempel in a reunion with Klaus Shulze in 2000!!! No wonder Manuel includes all Ash Ra Tempel / Ashra / MG solo albums in the same thread in the website!
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Points: 1484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:27

Originally posted by Chipiron Chipiron wrote:

BTW, excuse my ignorance. What does "kudos" mean?

Look up in a dictionary for heaven's sake!!!! (that's what I did!)

something like "prasie, eulogy"
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Points: 780 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:39
Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

Originally posted by Chipiron Chipiron wrote:

BTW, excuse my ignorance. What does "kudos" mean?

Look up in a dictionary for heaven's sake!!!! (that's what I did!)

something like "prasie, eulogy"

Thank you. I used my on-line dictionary and I found nothing. I don't have e good dictionary here (I'm supposed to be working...)

I only wanted to know if I had to get angry or not...
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Points: 1484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:47
Originally posted by Chipiron Chipiron wrote:

Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

Originally posted by Chipiron Chipiron wrote:

BTW, excuse my ignorance. What does "kudos" mean?

Look up in a dictionary for heaven's sake!!!! (that's what I did!)

something like "prasie, eulogy"

Thank you. I used my on-line dictionary and I found nothing. I don't have e good dictionary here (I'm supposed to be working...)

I only wanted to know if I had to get angry or not...



So am I
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Points: 3323 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 21:21
New Age of Earth and Blackouts are great, dont forget Manuel Gottsching's Inventions on Electric Guitar, another good one! Also there is a compilation called Ashra - Sunrain: the Virgin Years, it captures many highlights.
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2005 at 02:04
I like ASH RA TEMPEL! They are so chaotic.
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The Ashra albums, particularly New Age of Earth and Blackouts (as DB pointed out) are as good as the German synth/guitar based prog ever got, and there's also the E2 - E4 and Inventions for Electric Guitar albums, plus things like The Private Tapes and The Making Of..., which hint at a huge backlog of unreleased material by Manuel Gottsching lurking in a vault somewhere. As good as Tangerine Dream were at their peak, Ashra produced much more subtle and finely nuanced albums using much the same set up. Essential for lovers of electronic prog.
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Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

** I believe the thread starter was talking about Ash Ra Tempel, I hope he did?!


(You must know better than me, krauthead!)

I knew that picture from long ago and yes it is Ash Ra Tempel, but posting it here and talking about Ashra... I just hope he talked about Ash Ra Tempel then...

Hmmm... maybe you know lots more than me Bilek, I'm not that deep into information conserning who was when, where and why and that kind of stuff.

I'm so so when it comes to bandnames, release years and what country it came from, Ashra was mostly Göttsching, I didn't say he was alone... to say it this way: he is the one that make the sound good so if one don't like them you shall blame someone else than him.

You seem to know some info Bilek and to be honest I think you'd beat me any day at: Who Wants To Be A Krautonaire? 

Anyhow, I have more than 1800+ kraut albums and you'll prolly know more than me about all of them, fine with me... then I'm happy for you Bilek, also proud to say the least

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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

The Ashra albums, particularly New Age of Earth and Blackouts (as DB pointed out) are as good as the German synth/guitar based prog ever got, and there's also the E2 - E4 and Inventions for Electric Guitar albums, plus things like The Private Tapes and The Making Of..., which hint at a huge backlog of unreleased material by Manuel Gottsching lurking in a vault somewhere. As good as Tangerine Dream were at their peak, Ashra produced much more subtle and finely nuanced albums using much the same set up. Essential for lovers of electronic prog.


I agree, however I prefer the Ash Ra Tempel incarnation...
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Originally posted by Fantômas Fantômas wrote:

I prefer the Ash Ra Tempel incarnation...

I agree with you there Fantômas

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"New Age of Earth" is one of the best records of all time for me! Gottsching was one of the few musicians of that time (apart form Eno and Kraftwerk) that knew seriously what to do with a drum machine...

The Detroit techno musicians (Derrick May, Carl Craig et al.) were absolutely in love with "E2 E4". There's even a european dance hit of the early nineties ("Sueño Latino") that was built from a sample from that record.
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I think "Gin Rosé" is also a nice live album! There's Manuel Göttshcing and Klaus Schulze improvising, but the sound is more softer that their early ASH RA TEMPEL works. The lack of drums also make it less aggressive.

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=3587

 
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Points: 1484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2005 at 05:37
Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

Originally posted by krauthead krauthead wrote:

** I believe the thread starter was talking about Ash Ra Tempel, I hope he did?!


(You must know better than me, krauthead!)

I knew that picture from long ago and yes it is Ash Ra Tempel, but posting it here and talking about Ashra... I just hope he talked about Ash Ra Tempel then...

Hmmm... maybe you know lots more than me Bilek, I'm not that deep into information conserning who was when, where and why and that kind of stuff.

I'm so so when it comes to bandnames, release years and what country it came from, Ashra was mostly Göttsching, I didn't say he was alone... to say it this way: he is the one that make the sound good so if one don't like them you shall blame someone else than him.

You seem to know some info Bilek and to be honest I think you'd beat me any day at: Who Wants To Be A Krautonaire? 

Anyhow, I have more than 1800+ kraut albums and you'll prolly know more than me about all of them, fine with me... then I'm happy for you Bilek, also proud to say the least

Gee, what's all the fuss about?!?!?!?

I just said you must know better than me, and I was damn serious!!!

1800+ krautrock albums!?!?!?!? My entire discothéque cannot match up to that number (even if I include my 150+ CD mp3 archive)!!!
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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